tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8918352234512214855.post1870110942189230670..comments2023-08-08T12:11:29.741+01:00Comments on bara brith: Colloquium IIUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8918352234512214855.post-20471799820539982162009-06-15T10:03:08.681+01:002009-06-15T10:03:08.681+01:00Oh, and send all your friends to Evangelium - Intr...Oh, and send all your friends to Evangelium - Intro to the music of the liturgy workshop option :-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8918352234512214855.post-15645015007487805072009-06-11T15:37:21.857+01:002009-06-11T15:37:21.857+01:00As I recall, Professor Dobszay distinguished betwe...As I recall, Professor Dobszay distinguished between material that subsistutes for official elements of the rite (e.g. hymns instead of Propers), and material that is used in addition to it (e.g. a gathering hymn before a chanted introit). I think his practice is more the latter than the former.IanWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14802289720095323373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8918352234512214855.post-84183924814418302132009-06-08T08:05:11.263+01:002009-06-08T08:05:11.263+01:00I was left to run a two-man schola for an EF Tridu...I was left to run a two-man schola for an EF Triduum about five or six years ago. The chaps weren't that great, there is a lot of music for the triduum, and I am not a hot singer either. I made us sing half of the stuff to psalm-tones - the traddy Mass (and it is very traddy, alas) in Edinburgh do that sometimes when the schola is off. People catch it quite well - in my current parish, we sing Matins and Lauds (new breviary, vernacular) in Advent and Lent, mostly to Gregorian tones with a lovely ripply guitar in the background to keep the pitch. Polish fits the "real" tones much better than English, of course, but people do very well even with some of the twiddlier endings.berenikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16917803593444075354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8918352234512214855.post-60593915759161649642009-06-06T13:37:57.052+01:002009-06-06T13:37:57.052+01:00Ramble on. It all needs to be said.
I never even...Ramble on. It all needs to be said.<br /><br />I never even touched on the question of the quantity of music that needs to be sung and the restrictions of time that exist in a Parish. Couple that with the fact that many enthusiastic singers do not read music and the burden falls very heavily indeed on people who can. <br /><br />Producing music in a Mass is much more texing than a secular context because of where you are and what you are doing.<br /><br />People do not hesitate to tell you if they don't like it for any reason. No-one ever comes up to me after a secular concert to tell me how much they disliked something. Out in the world, as a bolshy horn player, I'd suggest that maybe they'd like to take my place next time and as the horn has the reputation for being v hard (and who am I to dispel that one mmm really hard,) people back off. Somehow the same response doesn't trip off the tongue at Church (and good thing too.)<br /><br />As I said above. Non-musicians, you have no idea what people are up against.<br /><br />All hail St Mary Mags, trail blazers. When the history of the renaissance in Scared Music in the UK is written, you'll be there.<br /><br />The Tablet. Have to check with my agent and only under a nom de plume. ;-)<br /><br />A thought. Does that Parish Chant Book have what you want?<br /><br />There are lots of people trying to do the same thing so someone's got to publish THE BOOK soon if it hasn't already been done.leutgebhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15566408268292424147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8918352234512214855.post-33774163236389037642009-06-06T10:29:24.004+01:002009-06-06T10:29:24.004+01:00Excellent article. Send it to the Tablet and see i...Excellent article. Send it to the Tablet and see if you can get it published. <br /><br />Along with the Propers we should be rediscovering all the wonderful Vespers hymns and teaching them to our congregations (if they want to join in.) <br /><br />For example, at St Mary Magdalen's we sang the glorious Vexilla Regis from Passion Sunday. The Salutis Humanae on Ascension Day, the Veni Creator Spiritus last week etc etc. <br /><br />Sadly very few of them exist in congregational books so unless we print off 100s of sheets the congregation never get access to these and have to listen to the choir singing them.<br /><br />Another thing, it's just as good to sing the Rossini Propers as the real thing. It's the text that matters. The professsor did say the other day that originally the gradual and the tracts were probably only ever sung by one cantor because of their difficulty.For Corpus Christi, we will be singing the Introit and Communion to the correct tones and the rest will be sung to Psalm tones. <br /><br />The reality is when you try and do it properly, it's not just propers you have to learn. There's the Ordinary, extra hymns etc etc. It's exhausting. And for most choirs they only have a week to learn all the music.<br /><br />Sorry l'm rambling now.<br /><br />ClareClarehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00203984106131527204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8918352234512214855.post-88431786191132384482009-06-06T06:08:40.893+01:002009-06-06T06:08:40.893+01:00I'm sure that the music must be latent in the ...I'm sure that the music must be latent in the texts, though Prof Dobszay showed examples of the same music being used to set radically different texts. Chant can be broken down into small units of melody, which due to its restrictive nature (and that is not a bad thing) are going to get repeated. The music is not expressive in the way later tonal music with obvious word painting is, but seems to focus in on the text rather than distracr from it.leutgebhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15566408268292424147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8918352234512214855.post-69607795540999622872009-06-06T01:07:17.338+01:002009-06-06T01:07:17.338+01:00"so why treat music as if it has no content a..."so why treat music as if it has no content and expresses nothing?"-my own thoughts exactly! An interesting idea I came across in Dom Daniel Saulnier's Introduction to Gregorian Chant (I think) was of the chant owing its origin to the "latent music" of the texts.Patriciushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08906131174326742939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8918352234512214855.post-64588926471989003332009-06-05T23:51:32.129+01:002009-06-05T23:51:32.129+01:00Wow... some deep stuff here.
Me, I have come to l...Wow... some deep stuff here.<br /><br />Me, I have come to love chant, the more I hear, the more I want to hear... I just wish I had the time to learn it. At the moment, the Rossini propers are as much as I can manage.<br /><br />Give me a few more years...Mulier Fortishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01186202810919174492noreply@blogger.com