If you ask me, ordinary lay folk have done more for the Church than the clergy ever have...
Don't think I agree, Patricius. Not an easy comparison to make and not what I was getting at here.There are more of us though and in many ways we have more freedom to do things.
Don't worry leutgeb, I am not advocating 1789 in the Church or anything! I guess I mean ''establishments'' or something. I had in mind ordinary English lay people in Cornwall in 1549 reacting against Cranmer, the cleric, and ordinary people taking away things from their churches to safeguard them against the ravages of heathen men, to bring them forth again once the ancestral faith was upheld again...a false hope vis-a-vis the Reformation I guess, but applicable to the last 60 years of liturgical deform, carried out by clerics. Fr Hunwicke put up an interesting post a while ago about his trip to Ireland, in which he spoke to these wonderful elderly ladies about their cathedral church. He asked what had happened to the High Altar (knowing full-well what had happened of course), and they all went quiet - of course, it was their young liberal Bishop who 40 years ago had had it destroyed...Maybe this is all incomprehensible, but centralization, beaurocracy, and ''Liturgy by decree'' (as Rubricarius termed it) have all the marks of clericalism gone mad. Let the laity look to it!
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